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Submitted by phani on December 13, 2007 - 7:16am.
Originally published by: Dr. Dave [Jorm] on Consciousness, Science & PhilosophyOriginal article: Would the real occult idolator please stand upEditor: phani.Edited: Minor editing (a comma here, an emdash there ...)Date: 1 year 2 weeks agoby David Jorm, on his blog This happened a few months ago, but I was just reminded of it today and ensured it was blogworthy, so here goes. As part of a research assessment of the state of spiritual & religious groups around Melbourne, I attended the Planet Shakers mega church with my homeboys Tri Yuga and Adam. We witnessed some pretty far out speaking in tongues and were generally pretty captivated with the slickness of their presentation.
I went back the next week on my own to scope it out further. At one point during the program they were playing atmospheric lounge rock while everyone put their hands in the air to catch the holy spirit. People were starting to speak in tongues and manifest other ecstatic symptoms when the church's jagad mataji grabs the mic and yells "REWIND!", metaphorically speaking. She stopped the whole thing and they put a spotlight on her on stage. She said the holy spirit had just whispered in her ear this important message: someone in the audience was practicing the occult! They had come to study the church, but it was actually Lord Jesus Christ's arrangement to show that fallen idolator the truth, the light, and the way. I kind of stood out, since my clothing wasn't made by an Italian designer, I didn't have even a single hand waving in the air, and the bead bag probably gave it away too. The guy standing next to me turned his head really slowly, looked at me for a second, then turned back. GULP. They're on to me! Cue paranoia!
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Remark on Speaking in Tongues
Submitted by Gadadhara_das on November 11, 2008 - 3:33am.Hare Krishna.
I have seen people "speaking in tongues", and I'm not surprised that smb was prompted to react negatively on you. Sometimes people give out wondrous information after glossolalia session. Why - and how?
Originally, New Testament describes Christ's disciples showing one of mystic perfections: knowing foreign language ("tongue") without learning it. What is practiced today is something different. In my humble opinion, one doing that runs the risk of giving in to a ghost. Otherwise, what else could be it based upon? I know only four general ways of mystic processes: (1) the Supreme Lord, (2) demigods, (3) the mystic yoga, or invoking the nature's powers in other ways, like in chigong and tai-chi; and, (4) spirits and ghosts. Each of these sources of mystical occurences require specific procedures, and imho 'speaking in tongues' resembles only to the fourth of these.
Such a conclusion was approved to me by one lady who told of her friend's experience. They were on one gathering, people were 'speaking in tongues', but her friend who knew Hebrew, heard another lady next to her pouring out terrible blasphemies in Hebrew! By the way, there is a warning amongst some of such groups, that somebody should be there able to translate what's spoken.
Why they practice such risky things? Because of their healing properties: people are expressing and letting go some suppressed emotions, etc. ALL OF THE TODAY'S FLOURISHING CHRISTIAN (and pseudo-Christian as well) GROUPS ARE FOCUSING ON SPIRITUAL HEALING, that's why so many people go there. I believe that's main point to learn here.
There is a way to utilize such approach with no risk, and it would be beneficial to many of us: spontaneous prayer. If you happen to be a part of a group of devotees with problems, try to spend, say, 10 to 15 minutes of everybody in the gathering to chant loudly any prayers - excluding those which we are accustomed to do in an 'automatic' way. Verses from Sastras, Songs of Acaryas, a freeform prayer in your own language - but no strange sounds which no one understands. I've tried it for a healing sessions a couple of time, and it has a good effect. After all, Vandanam is the fourth of the nine devotional processes.
yhs
Gadadhara das
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