Rules of Kindess - what pleases the Lord more?

There has been some confusion in my mind lately and some sadness. One friend has decided to go brahmacari (not officialy even, he lives at home with his parents still). To him brahmacari means not talking to any ladies at all. Not the ones who he used to be good friends with, not the ones who introduced him to Krishna in the first place. Is this fanaticism? Is this pleasing to Krishna when many delicate feelings of other devotees are being hurt and tears are being shed?

I wonder what it really means to be brahmacari, and what it means to be ladies and gentlemen as Srila Prabhupada wanted us to be. My mind is completely blown by the inability to see outside ourselves sometimes into the bigger picture of things. What is really the essence of Krishna Consciousness—what is the point, the purpose, the goal?

To love Krishna with full heart! What does that love mean? Well, it means that Krishna is the father and lover of every single soul, and there is no question of loving the father if we don't love dearly all the children. To love all the children is shown by kindness to them, but also by trying to bring each one closer to God.

If a young boy knows a young girl who wants dearly to come to Krishna consciousness—and the two used to be great friends, wouldn't Krishna be more pleased by these two helping each other come to Krishna and being kind to each other, than one claiming to be brahmacari and ignoring this friend and all other ladies?

What is the point? Doesn't this just bring about some kind of false pride or ego trip that, "I am brahmacari, I am so strict I don't talk to any girls!".

Does it actually soften the heart and bring us closer to Krishna? If done properly, sure, but I know many brahmacaris, even strict ones, who still talk to girls in relation to Krishna and especially service and preaching. Isn't that more mature and practical?

It's very hurtful when a once close friend now chooses to cut off all connections with the female species—how is Krishna pleased when His female devotees are hurting? I don't get it.

It boggles my mind. Wouldn't a Krishna conscious person see all souls as part of Krishna?

Wouldn't a Krishna conscious person automatically want to serve others and be kind?

I don't get it. I just don't get it. I wonder sometimes if we are reading enough Srila Prabhupada's books, because i see quote after quote after quote about living according to time, place and circumstance, and adjusting the rules to be practical, and the number one rule to be to think of Krishna, and to adopt a gradual process of spiritual practice, and to simply add Krishna to one's life, rather than making drastic changes, and that following rules alone will not please Krishna, but the spirit of pure devotion and love will.

When I explained this to my friend, he got so angry at me. But this is all scripture, I don't understand what I did wrong. Who is preaching to him to avoid all ladies in order to achieve love for Krishna? I just will never understand this and it makes me very upset.

Hare Krishna.

 

Comments

did you look at this problem from both sides?

hare krsna mataji, please accept my humble obeisances—as humble as i can manage to be, at least. all glories to srila prabhupada.

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disclaimer: not knowing you personally, only through your writing, and not knowing the brahmacari you write about at all, i can only offer some general considerations here, which may or may not apply in this particular case.
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i understand that you feel hurt if a friend suddenly cuts off all communication with you; that's natural and not surprising. but what are his motives, his reasons for his decision? does he think you're not worth speaking to, not good enough for him? i don't think so.

how would you feel if he decided to enroll in a college or university in a different town, or in a different country? you would still feel separation from him, but you won't feel hurt—because it would be necessary, the best course of action for his future, for his education.

the brahmacari asram is an important part of the varnasrama system, ot vedic education, and of ISKCON. in the beginning of our movement, almost all devotees were brahmacaris and brahmacarinis. srila prabhupada stated that all new devotees should undergo brahmacari training, even those desiring to become grhasthas eventually.

and brahmacaria does mean, among other things, to minimize contact with the opposite sex. ideally a brahmacari asram would be situated separate from the other asramas' living quarters, preferably in the forest somewhere, with no distraction.

that's not possible nowadays, especially in the west. and, as you state in your article, for the purpose of preaching krsna consciousness, which is our main purpose, strict varnasrama rules aren't usually applied.

the intention of these rules is not to hurt or offend women or members of the other, non-renunciate asramas; not that they are less devotional or less important. strict brahmacari training enables young devotees to learn to control their senses, to direct their energies to higher goals than sense gratification.

that's particularly important—and particularly difficult—for those of us who grew up in the west, where sense gratification has been elevated, for all practical purposes, to a religion, and sense control is unheard of.

you are right in saying that breaking contact with all women, completely, isn't a sign of maturity—it certainly isn't. but you also wrote that the devotee in question still lives with his parents. this makes it likely that he is not only a new devotee, but also farely young, i.e., immature.

why don't you give him some time to find his feet, so to say, in his new asram? not speaking to any women, particularly those he's had close contact with, may very well make it much easier for him to learn to control his mind and his senses.

you're seeing your hurt at being ignored by him, but do you see the difficulties he may be facing if he doesn't? the idea of following at least a few years of strict brahmacari training is not fanatical; it's what prabhupada told us to do. that it's often not practiced these days may very well be a reason that so many devotees have problems in their devotional and married lives later on.

your servant, phanisvara das

Give him some time...

[This comment has been posted to the original article on Bhaktin Sara's blog by Pandu Prabhu (The Opposite Rule)]



Give him some time to get his lust under control. Lust is often confused with love, but real love is unknown in the material conception of life. Lust makes us want to control things. Why, therefore do you want your friend to remain close to you? Do you see? Our real lives together are in Krishna's holy names. Enter into Them and find out.

Reply from Bhaktin Sara

Thank you Pandu Prabhu and Phani Prabhu for the wise and intelligent words. I was looking through emotions, but now you help me see the situation in a more neutral sense.

Thank you very much, I appreciate the writings.

Hare Krishna.

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